Judging Nido Stats from Damage Taken

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Judging Nido Stats from Damage Taken

Post by tikevin83 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:28 pm

When searching for a L6 Male Nidoran with strong stats, it can be possible to tell the attack and special of the nidoran based on the damage it does in battle. This is easiest done when the rival battle is won and pikachu's defense can be checked. Pikachu should have a defense stat between 8 and 10 at lvl 6. Here are my findings about Nidoran's attack based on damage calculations:

Nido DOES NOT leer:
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 4 damage tackle guarantees 11 atk at L6
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 5 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11 atk and 38/39 on 12-13 atk
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 6 damage tackle guarantees 12-13 atk at L6 (can't be 11 atk, 1/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 4 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk at L6 (can't be 13 atk)
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 5 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11-12 atk and 38/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 6 damage tackle guarantees 13 atk at L6 (only a 1/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 10 defense, all atk stats deal 4-5 damage so nothing can be learned.

Nido Leers Once:
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 6 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk at L6 (can't be 13)
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 7 damage tackle is 31/39 on 11-12 atk and 10/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, an 8 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11-12 atk and 28/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 9 damage tackle guarantees 13 atk (1/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 5 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk (2/39 roll, can't be 13 atk)
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 6 damage tackle is 36/39 on 11-12 atk and 7/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 7 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11-12 atk and 31/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, an 8 damage tackle guarantees 13 atk (1/39 roll)

it's more difficult to tell nido's special because the HP bar can have 21-23 max hp. More calcs for that incoming.
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Re: Judging Nido Stats from Damage Taken

Post by tikevin83 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:34 am

If Nido leers twice:
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 7 damage tackle guarantees 11 atk
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, an 8 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk, 28/39 on 11 atk and 13/39 on 12 atk
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 9 damage tackle is 1/39 to be 11 atk and 38/39 to be 12-13 atk
If Pikachu has 8 or 9 defense, a 10 damage tackle is 1/39 to be 12 atk and 38/39 to be 13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 6 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk (can't be 13 atk)
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 7 damage tackle is 31/39 on 11-12 atk and 10/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, an 8 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11-12 atk and 28/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 9 damage tackle guarantees 13 atk (1/39 roll)

If thundershocking Nido (keep in mind Nido can have 21-23 health):
If Pikachu has 11 special, no information can be gained (all nido special values give the same 5-7 range)
If Pikachu has 12 special, a 5 damage thundershock guarantees 10-11 special (2/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 12 special, a 6 damage thundershock guarantees 10-11 special
If Pikachu has 12 special, a 7 damage thundershock is a 1/39 roll on 10-11 special and 10/39 on 9 special
If Pikachu has 12 special, an 8+ damage thundershock guarantees 9 special
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Re: Judging Nido Stats from Damage Taken

Post by tikevin83 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:52 am

If Nido tackle is a Critical Hit:
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 5 damage crit guarantees an 11 atk nido (2/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 6 damage crit is a 7/39 roll on 12-13 atk and 36/39 on 11 atk
If Pikachu has 8 defense, a 7 damage crit is a 1/39 roll on 11 atk and 31/39 on 12-13 atk
If Pikachu has 8 defense, an 8 damage crit guarantees 12-13 atk (1/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 5 damage crit guarantees an 11-12 atk nido (2/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 6 damage crit is a 7/39 roll on 13 atk and 36/39 on 11-12 atk
If Pikachu has 9 defense, a 7 damage crit is a 1/39 roll on 11-12 atk and 31/39 on 13 atk
If Pikachu has 9 defense, an 8 damage crit guarantees 13 atk (1/39 roll)
If Pikachu has 10 defense,a 5 damage crit is 38/39 on 11 atk and 2/39 on 12-13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 6 damage crit is 1/39 on 11 atk and 36/39 on 12-13 atk
If Pikachu has 10 defense, a 7 damage crit guarantees 12-13 atk (1/39 roll)

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Re: Judging Nido Stats from Damage Taken

Post by tikevin83 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:13 pm

If Pikachu loses the rival fight, it will be level 5 when fighting nido and can only have 8 or 9 defense. The damage ranges are actually the same as level 6 because rounding, just you don't know whether defense is 8 or 9 so the info is less precise.

If Pikachu is L5, a 4 damage tackle guarantees 11-12 atk at L6 (Can't be 13 atk)
If Pikachu is L5, a 5 damage tackle is 1/39 on 11 atk at either defense stat.
If Pikachu is L5, a 6 damage tackle guarantees 12-13 atk

Highly condensed notes with simpler rules:

Whether Pikachu is L5 or L6, a 4 damage tackle is a bad sign and 5/6 damage tackle is a good sign.
a 5 damage crit tackle is a bad sign and a 7/8 damage crit tackle is a good sign

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